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Circular Fingering technique

 
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Webbedfingers
Junior Guzheng


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:38 am    Post subject: Circular Fingering technique Reply with quote

Hi,

I wonder if anyone has an explanation of the circular technique which was pioneered by one of the Mongolian guzheng virtuoso players.

I heard about it in a clip which I've since lost, and love the sonic textures from the technique. I'm afraid my Mandarin isn't very good so I haven't fully understood the principles of the circular technique. It's not explained in English anywhere else.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about lol.

Thanks
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yukina
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, I really have no idea what you are talking about.
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Webbedfingers
Junior Guzheng


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuts. Neither do I.

Should have bookmarked the reference page. Now I can't find anything on it.

It was an article about a Mongolian virtuoso guzheng player who at a young age, took up the the guzheng instead of the Mongolian yatkga (sp?).

Can't find anything about it in English - just this:

http://www.soniccouture.com/en/products/26-exotic-percussion/g7-guzheng/

Quote:
Up to ten velocity levels, three round robin alternations for the right hand, and two round robin alternations for the left hand. This ensures natural attack transients with no 'machine-gun' repetition.


I don't understand what this means. What is a 'round robin alternation'? :confused:

I can only guess that 'circular fingering' is like the 'pipa wheel' but used for the guzheng. My teacher has never heard of this technique too. But she did the Shanghai exams and taught after that and isn't a performer.

Lost in translation?
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applevinegar
Rosewood


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, I think "round robin" is a digital audio term not a physical technique.
"soniccouture" seems to be only for a sound synthesis program. Laughing
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Webbedfingers
Junior Guzheng


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Seems that internet search was of no use then.

If anyone works out what I'm talking about please let me know lol
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Rosewood


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webbedfingers wrote:
Hmm. Seems that internet search was of no use then.

If anyone works out what I'm talking about please let me know lol


I think it's not a waste of time, you are learning to research, mistakes are necessary to learn. When I first started I did the same kind of thing-- until I learned to use more clever keywords. Cool I would suggest to keep developing the research skills, it is an important skill.

I generally enjoy Mongolian music, maybe I can help you find more about the technique? What else do you remember about it?
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Webbedfingers
Junior Guzheng


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lost in translation......

my teacher tells me that the only circular technique using a one handed technique that is not glissandi, is the rapid right hand drive using the 2nd,3rd, 4th fingers to hit a string like raindrops hitting water.

When this is repeated fast enough, it has a different texture.
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yukina
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see, you meant the "lun zhi".
The technique can be seen in this video starting from 3:20 for about 20 seconds, where his right hand is doing the "lun zhi"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43i7lZL0TqI

I do have a video showing this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2P7CYK7w4
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Webbedfingers
Junior Guzheng


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Yukina - that's exactly it.

I wonder how come the internet ended up translating it as 'circular technique'. Although it's a foreign language to me, it makes sense to refer to the romanization or pinyin 'Lun Zhi' just for easier reference.

Liu Le seems to do a lot of minor scale performances. His posturing is a bit over the top but maybe that's intentional in the performance?

I had a look at the videos - wow you put so much effort into recording them. Only thing is, I couldn't see the right hand clearly as the camera was pointing from the left.

Finally I can do my own limited version of this circular technique. Shame it sounds so bad ...practice practice..!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webbedfingers wrote:
...practice practice..!

yes, practice for infinity. Twisted Evil
like me. Embarassed
nah just kidding..
I tried to find more info about that Mongolian musician but haven't gotten far. Better luck next time. Crying or Very sad
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Junior Guzheng


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

applevinegar wrote:
Webbedfingers wrote:
...practice practice..!

yes, practice for infinity. Twisted Evil
like me. Embarassed
nah just kidding..
I tried to find more info about that Mongolian musician but haven't gotten far. Better luck next time. Crying or Very sad


I'm getting better.......!

But I'm still miles away Crying or Very sad
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