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How to practice "super-speed" yaozhi

 
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budiarta99
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: How to practice "super-speed" yaozhi Reply with quote

Dear all,

I am a begginer guzheng player. I learn guzheng about 1-2 years.
At the moment, I'm still working on Liu Yang He.

Last night I saw a girl playing Liu Yang He at youtube.
I was amazed by her highspeed yaozhi.
The sound was clear, distinct, uninterupted, and it was at a very high speed.

I wish i can do that too. My yaozhi is ordinary, at normal speed,
and hanging (without relying on my little finger).

Does anyone know how to practice highspeed yaozhi (based on your
experience)? About the right technique to yao, I am still trying to find it.

I find practicing highspeed yaozhi is very difficult.
If the technique is not right, our hand is very easy to get tired
Thank you.

Cheers,

Budiarta.
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yukina
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi budiarta99:

I found it's easier to start yaozhi with using your pinky as a post. That's easier to get the right motion without using the arm force. It's also easy to transform to yaozhi without posting when you are good on it.
It's just my personal opinion.

Yukina
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budiarta99
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Yukina.
Yes, formerly my teacher told me to use my pinky too.
Then gradually she asked me to lift my pinky and not to use it.
After that I never used my pinky again.

Maybe I have to find the right technique first, so my hand doesn't easily
get tired. After that, it's just about increasing the frequency of wrist
movement. I don't know, it's just my opinion after trying to practice it
recently. Still need more advise...
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magnuspater
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've found practicing with a metronome and gradually increasing speed to be the best way to play fast and accurately.

this scene from the red violin sums it up pretty nicely, although it's not as easy as it looks in the video Laughing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK2HqKmzWk0
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budiarta99
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Idea! I'll try to practice that Very Happy
Thank you very much... Smile
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Chiichyan
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what my teacher had me do.

Before she even let me START yaozhi on a string, she got me to do this:

take a looseleaf, fold it in half, put it down on the right side of your guzheng.
put your wrist + arm down holding the paper
use your left hand and hold down your wrist/arm (not holding your hand)
move your hand sideways (left right left right) without pronating your arm
use your thumb nail to scratch the paper...and keep scratching until you rip the paper...it'll probably take about a week. MAKE SURE you are not using any strength in your shoulder and upper arm. Remember to breathe while you're doing this.

This builds the muscle used for yaozhi.

NOW! you have ripped the paper, grats!

playing slow is the key. You want to have sharp crispy sounds rather than harsh loud sounds.

You have to play really slow at the beginning and pay attention to all of these points. After you have the muscle memory and strength, you can start going faster. If you don't, you'll either have one "side" of your yaozhi faster than the other, or dull yaozhi.

pretend you want to yaozhi at string "2" (any 2, it's just for reference).
Put your thumb there, put pressure on the string, then push.
Your thumb should be pressing against/leaning on string "3".
When you go back, put pressure on the "back" of your thumb pick on string "2".
Pull back, until you are again, leaning on string "1"
rinse and repeat

The common thought is that if you're yaozhi on string 2, then you only need string 2. This isn't true. You need the string on each side as a "bounce back" so then when you're actually yaozhi at "normal" speed, you're not exerting as much energy because of the swingback momentum.

The reason why you want to lean against/on strings before you pluck/play is to have a strong solid sound. It's just like if you're walking, you make sure that your foot is solid on the ground before you take the next step. If you don't, you slip.

If you want some visuals, we can practice together on skype or something =)

I hope this helps.

ALSO, like the previous posters, use your pinky as a guide, don't put pressure on it, and don't use it for leverage to yaozhi faster or louder. You want to place your pinky one or 2 strings lower than the string you're going to yaozhi on.

Don't try to play loudly and quickly at the beginning. You want to play slowly and loudly, then work your way up. Because of muscle memory, it would be really hard to "fix" trilling problems.

I had to rework my "plucking" and that took a 3/4 of a year, 4 hours a day, slow playing only...it was VERY VERY boring. But in the end, my fingers got really really strong. (and became kinda gross because when I did anything with my hands, giganto veins would pop out) =(
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