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Paulownia or Firmiana simplex?

 
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:09 pm    Post subject: Paulownia or Firmiana simplex? Reply with quote

I got upset that the Wiki page keeps saying guzheng is made of Firmiana simplex. Since Wiki page has been quoted every where, and I found this information very misleading, so I did some research in to this subject.

Silk string instrument has long been known made by 梧桐 "Wu Tong" or 桐 "tong" in the classic Chinese literature. If you check the dictionary for "Wu Tong" you will get "firmiana simplex" as the answer. Detail on firmiana simplex says it's a tropical and tender Perennial plant. It's also called as 青桐 "qing tong" and 桐麻 "tong ma". It grows on moist soil. The bark is green and the flower is yellow-greenish. The seeds are in pea shape. It is mostly populated in the Guangxi province of China, but also commonly seen in the south provinces.

From the classic literature, Chinese people use "wu tong" and "tong" refer to many different species that cover 白桐 "Bai Tong" (pauwlonia), " 紫花桐 Zi Hua Tong"(paulownia), 岗桐 "Gang Tong", 油桐 "You Tong"(Vernicia fordii), 青桐 "Qing Tong"(firmiana simplex), 法国梧桐 "Fa Guo Wu Tong"(Platanus hispanica) and etc. That sounds very confusing. Basically, tall straight skinny light colored trees are called "wu tong". A more specific name is assigned based on the color of the tree skin, color of the flower, other visible character and etc.

There is no doubt that guzheng soundboards are made with paulownia in the modern time. Since Lankao county of Henan developed this big industry growing millions of paulownia tree every year, it's basically been the sole supplier for the guzheng soundboard. With the government support and huge profit involves, all other possibilities have been suppressed. The specific specie grown in Lankao is Paulownia elongata. The Lankao paulownia industry has a relative short history. The first tree was planted by Jiao Yu Lu, a governor in Henan at the time, in 1965. His intention was to grow trees to fight against the dusty wind, but accidentally created this big industry. (information from Lankao County website http://www.lankao.gov.cn/)

Here is a picture of the paulownia at Jiao's grave:




How about before the Lankao paulownia industry began? What kind of wood was used before in making guzheng?

Literature has always said "wu tong" and "tong". Which specie was used exactly?

The first scientific study book on "wu tong" is written 1051A.D. by Chen Shi of Song dynasty. The name of the book is called 桐谱"Tong Pu" or Guidebook of Tong. In the book, he distinguishes 'wu tong" into 6 different types, such as 白花桐 white flower tong, 紫花桐 purple flower tong, 油桐 oil tong, 梧桐 wu tong, and etc. He detailed the characteristics of each type and how to grow them. Later on, botanic study proved that all the "tong" in Chen's book are all under paulwonia gentry except the oil tong which is Vernicia fordii. There are other studies say that many of the "wu tong" in the Chinese ancient literature refer to paulownia. An evidence is that literature often praises wu tong's purple flower. (information based on various research papers from Institute of Botany, the Chinese Academy of Sciences.)

An example is a poem prasing "wu tong" written by Yan Shu in the Song dynasty. He described "wu tong" as having purple flowers that covers the sky. Most paulownia have either white or purple flowers, while firmiana simplex only have yellow whitish, yellow or yellow greenish flowers.

  苍苍梧桐,悠悠古风,叶若碧云,伟仪出众,
  根在清源,天开紫英,星宿其上,美禽来鸣,
  世有嘉木,心自通灵,可以为琴,春秋和声,
  卧听夜雨,起看雪晴,独立正直,巍巍德荣.


Baidu encyclopedia says the people in yellow river region has always been calling "pao tong" as "wu tong". In Shanghai, people called Platanus hispanica, a tree planted by the French in the 19th century, "wu tong". Some will add "French" in front of "wu tong" to distinguish. In the south, "wu tong" refers to "firmiana simplex".

Botanic study shows firmiana simplex has difficulty grow in the cold weather. Even planting in Tianjing failed. Therefore, it is not some trees that will be found common in the mountains of the northern China. That's also an explanation that the northerners have been calling paulownia "wu tong". Paulownia is a much more common tree in the north. ("Review of taxonomic studies on Sterculiaceae", Guihaia, 2003)
A search on firmiana simplex says it's tropicals and tender Perennials.

There was not much confusion before since the northerners have always called paulownia as "wu tong". One of the reason that there is a confusion now is probably the Lankao paulownia industry is properly named as "Pao Tong" industry. Since they supply the wood for the instrument industry, so people are wondering why 泡桐 "pao tong" not 梧桐 "wu tong".

Some studies even say 梧桐"wu tong" means 梧"wu" firmiana simplex and 桐"tong" paulownia trees, because in some literature firmiana simplex is called "wu".

Let's take a look at the classical Chinese literature on "tong" that are related to instrument making.

三國陸璣《毛詩草木鳥獸蟲魚疏》分桐為青桐、赤桐、白桐、梧桐四種,稱白桐宜琴瑟,梓實桐皮 為椅,即梧桐。 Lu Ji, Three Kingdoms period.
Lu Ji separates "tong" into 4 kinds. "qing tong" (green tong), "chi tong"(red tong), "bai tong"(white tong), and "wu tong". "Bai tong" is good for making instruments and "wu tong" is good for making chairs.

晉陶弘景《本草集注》分桐為青桐、梧桐、白桐、岡桐四種,青桐葉皮青似梧而無子;梧桐色白, 葉似青桐而有子;白桐與岡桐無異,唯有花、子;岡桐無子,材中琴瑟。Tao Hongjing, Jing dynasty.
Tao Hongjing separates "tong" in to "qing tong", "wu tong", "bai tong" and "gang tong", and he says "gang tong" is good for musical instruments.

南北朝賈思勰《齊民要術》據《爾雅》及郭璞《爾雅》注之說,以榮桐、襯、梧皆梧桐也,分桐為 青桐、白桐、岡桐三類,謂白桐無子,冬結似子者乃明年之花房,材質可製樂器;梧桐又名青桐,以其 皮青,故名之,其子可食,味似菱芡,而材不中琴瑟...
Jia sixie, Southern and Northern Dynasties.
Jia separates "tong" into "qing tong", "bai tong" and "gang tong". He specifically says "qing tong"(firmiana simplex), is not good for making instruments, and "bai tong" (paulownia) is good for making instruments.

寇宗奭《圖經衍義本草》稱桐有四種:白桐可斲琴者,開白花,不結子;荏桐早春先開淡紅花,花成筒子,子作桐油;梧桐四月開淡黃小花,一如棗花,枝頭岀絲,墮地成油,霑漬衣履,五六月結子,時人取炒為果,此即《禮記‧月令》所謂清明之日,桐始華者。岡桐無花,其質性體重而不中作琴瑟。

明李時珍《本草綱目》分白桐、岡桐、荏桐、海桐、青桐、罌子桐六類,稱白桐即泡桐,古謂之椅桐,先花後葉,故《爾雅》謂之榮桐,葉大徑尺,最易生長,皮色粗白,木輕虛不蛀,宜作器物屋柱,二月開花,如牽牛花而色白,結實大如巨棗,長寸餘,殼內有子片,輕虛如榆莢葵實之狀;花紫者岡桐;荏桐即油桐,枝幹花葉類岡桐而小,實大而圓,為油為時所需,以其油似荏,故名荏桐;海桐皮有巨刺,或云即刺桐...

明毛晉《陸氏詩疏廣要》梧桐別為一物,蓋種類太多,如青桐、白桐、赤桐、岡桐、赬桐、紫桐、荏桐、刺桐、胡桐、20罌子桐、海桐之類,不可枚舉,其實各各不相同...

All these literature says 白桐 "bai tong" or white tong or 白花桐 "bai hua tong" is best for making instruments. Some specifically says 白桐 "bai tong" is a type of 泡桐 paulownia.

I searched for 白桐 "bai tong" and 白花桐 "bai hua tong" and found that it's Paulownia fortunei (Seem.) Hemsl. It's also commonly called as 白花梧桐 "Bai Hua Wu tong".

I also checked the guqin industry and found that there are many makers claiming they use 白花梧桐 "Bai Hua Wu Tong" as different from 兰考泡桐 "Lankao Pao Tong" and selling the guqins in a much higher price. In fact, both wood are paulownia.

Here is a picture of a Ming dynasty Se now collected in the Shanghai Minxing Folk Musical Instrument Museum. The description says it's made of a whole piece 沙桐 "sha tong", a name used to refer to paulownia growing in Henan's dusty region. (Picture is obtained from www.qinzheng.org)




There is no such confusion in Korea and Japan. In Korea, the wood that's used to make kayagum is called "O-Dong" written as 梧桐. The same characters as the Chinese "wu tong". The Japanese use kiri to make koto that is written as 桐 or 梧桐. The characters 梧桐 appeared in Japanese literature wtih instrumental context is as early as in 万葉集 "Manyooshuu" 756A.D. which contains "梧桐製の琴".(A koto made of Wu tong) There is no doubt that the wood used is paulownia. One reason might be that firmiana simplex is rare in Japan and Korea because of the cold weather. So, the Japanese and Korean have been calling paulownia "wu tong" just like the northern Chinese does.

A side note is that the 16-steel string guzhengs from the Chaozhou area were made with 杉木 shan mu" Cunninghamia Lanceolata. The steel string guzhengs found at the Chaozhou old masters' such as Lin Maogen and Guo Yin are all made of "shan mu". That's also a common tree in the south region. The masters said the "shan mu" gives longer string sustension and is desired for the Chaozhou music.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow! I did not know there were so many species of pauwlonia tree's.Im wandering if each of these species give the guzheng's a different sound.WOW!Carol your expertise really shows! I remember my teacher telling me it didnt matter what types of wood is used for guzheng, cause in china they take the back board off to make it louder......haha!!! im not trying it though!~~~~ Shocked I think wiki doesnt really know everything right?they are just based on what anyone gives them? well i hope they can change there info about chinese instruments and pauwlonia soon!

thanks carol for the research!
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good information, thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive research, Yukina! I think the naming convention gets crazy sometimes. As I understood from Dunhuang's protocol, they never really tell you the exact wood or type of paulownia you'll get on your instrument unless you're an insider. Could it be that guzheng companies just don't have full control over the supply so they become vague?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I don't know. Maybe the factories just don't care or they mean to cause some confusion. Any way, they just buy from Lankao now. It's just so much convenient.

I different soundboard affect the tone more than the hardwood though. It would be better to see more variety.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about " shan tong" ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is a "shan tong"?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in Hungary is buyable a specie of paulownia (paulownia shan tong), a transgenic hybrid. Supposedly it is from China. This is a new development. This specie is winter resistant until -30C and grows more fast. It is also known as "emerald tree". I have bought a sapling of this. They say that it will be cuttable (50cm trunk diameter) in 10 years.
There is another similar new specie: Paulownia elongata
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...The question is that how suitable are these modern paulownia species for topboard? What do you think?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thin it depends on the characteristics of the wood.
Paulownia elongata is the major one we use for guzheng soundboard. It's cuttable in 5-10 yrs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Good news! I will have a whole tree 10years hence, and I can process it 12 years hence. By that time I will have all the necessary tools and knowledges. Elongata is similar to the san tong, but not so froze resistant, this is the different only, I think.
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