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Bare finger plucking?

 
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applevinegar
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:40 pm    Post subject: Bare finger plucking? Reply with quote

I have been experimenting with many different ways of plucking guzheng over the months,
. . . using taped picks, holding pick, plucking with finger nails, using bare fingers, etc.

I love most the sound from bare finger plucking-- But it makes my fingers sore. Sad

Anyone know a good way to toughen the fingers? Wink
Maybe with some sort of liniment or exercise? Very Happy

Or perhaps there is a softer string that sounds close to regular guzheng strings? Is there a metal/nylon string with softer nylon? Laughing

yukina mentioned, on another thread, that Mongolians always pluck with their bare fingers, do they use "regular" metal/nylon guzheng strings too? I would like to pluck the way they do.
--Maybe they just ignore the pain? Shocked

Thanks, I appreciate any help. Very Happy
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applevinegar
Rosewood


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err . . . simplified,

Does anyone know how I can play like this without pain?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz6BM1mZ9CQ

I don't understand how she plays so quickly and hard with bare fingers without pain?-- Is she using soft koto strings maybe? Confused
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yukina
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the yagta strings are thinner. It still looks painful.
Actually, kayagum is ok. I'm used to play it, and I don't feel the pain on the fingers any more.
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applevinegar
Rosewood


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.
I think I will try dipping my fingers in black tea to strengthen the skin, and try applying a comfrey poultice to help heal.
Are there any soft strings specifically for 21-string guzheng?
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yukina
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL!

Well, on all the guzheng strings I've tried, Yuesheng Regular string and the Baoquan string are the softest.

Once you grow some calluses, the fingers won't hurt any more.
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Sunny
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notice that the lady does not pluck the strings of Yagta with the 'Tremolo'. Unless we have a thick and very strong nail, the guzheng string is still not soft enough to pluck. Normally I pluck with barehand on the left but not feel very convenient to use the same on the right hand. And ofcourse, I am a man so not very familiar to keep the nails long in both hands for only purposing to pluck the guzheng LOL and not so sure if my right hand's nails could create the satisfied sound of plucking compare to the genuine tortoise shell picks.
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applevinegar
Rosewood


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using a black tea liniment and it seems to be slightly helping.
(Athlete runners use black tea to toughen up their feet.)

Now I keep all my strings slightly loose,
and use less painful plucking methods.
(such as plucking with the deeper part of the finger, rather than the very tip.)

I did develop slight callouses but one of them just started peeling away.
Is this normal? My Mom once played guitar and the same thing happened to her. Callouses developed-- then they just peeled away Shocked
Fingers do not always behave.

Though probably the best solution is to just use softer strings. Should try softer strings on my next set.
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hirschhs
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Joined: 12 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, I play double bass and guitar (finger picking) and both of these require different areas of both hands to be toughened up. My experience is that if you start practising a little and then build up, over time callouses will develop which will become the hard protective skin you need. It'll hurt for a while but as long as you're playing regularly, soon you won't notice any more.
Playing the gu zheng, I find that my nails don't sound so good (a bit 'raspy', the bare fingers sound ok.
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citera
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Joined: 13 Jun 2015
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Hirschhs

Are you hungarian? Can you help me? I search guzheng or yatga teacher in Hungary. Do you know one? I have a 13 string yatga. I have bought it from a Mongolian woman in Kecskemét a year ago. I try learning myself, but with a teacher would be better. A learn Mongolian songs, and play them the yatga. There are Hungarian pentathonic songs, which are playable on the yatga, and there are some pieces of them, which are wery similar to some Mongolian melody.
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